Side of Ham
4:56 Tue Feb 27
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I reckon John Lyall would have attracted quite a good few top foreign footballers to play his way had they been easily available like they are today.
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chim chim cha boo
4:52 Tue Feb 27
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Just when you think you've seen everything in football it throws up a new angle that genuinely surprises you and I walked out of the stadium last night in a confused state.
I can't remember the last West Ham hat trick and it was lovely to see Jarrod beaming at the crowd as he walked off at the end holding the ball above his head which he totally deserved with his brilliant work rate, tenacity and finishing skill.
I also witnessed something I never thought I'd see, JWP making a tackle not once but twice, which was astonishing. In fact the whole team got stuck in when they could against another bogey team (we've never beaten them in nine attempts) who were better than a lot of you say they were.
BUT, Areola had to make a couple of wonder saves at the end as Moyes had pulled Tommy back after having a really good game and when we (infrequently) countered it was strange to see him in our own box and not theirs.
When Moyes tries to shut up shop we're pretty woeful and static and it's not really worth it. Horrible to watch another team not being pressed and able to have all the time in the world to pick a pass. If only Moyes would tell them to play like the other team have scored and not us? That seems to be the only time we ever go through the gears and even as a defensive strategy it works.
There were long periods last night when Brentford had too much of the ball and the stadium was so quiet (from where I sit) that you could clearly hear the players shouting to each other.
A 4-2 win should have had me buzzing but we it still felt like we'd sneaked a win. Bizarre.
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RM10
4:34 Tue Feb 27
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You cannot compare football in the seventies to the existing premier league and society, its like comparing green st to then and now.
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62Hammer
4:29 Tue Feb 27
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"(Lyall) got us relegated twice. How many would accept that today?"
Set against what else he did for the club, I would say that is acceptable. To me it is.
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selecta
4:14 Tue Feb 27
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Paquetta makes things tick, not just his play but the others around him lift their game too, so obvious to see last night. It's no real surprise, he's the Brazil no10 for a reason.
Can we play without him? Obviously not!
He alone will keep Moyes in his job.
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Full Claret Jacket
4:07 Tue Feb 27
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Enjoyed the game last night and it's a while since I said that. Some good football especially first half where we had a lot of chances. Soucek in particular will wonder how he didnt score. Fantastic hattrick for Bowen. Exactly what we needed. Kudus and Paqueta are the driving force. Thought Coufal played well and an absolute worldly from Emerson who is capable technically of those kind of strikes.
We did run out of steam and our lack of depth showed. Antonio had a stinker when he came on. Was he purposely playing bad so he doesnt play there? I dont know but we looked much weaker when he came on.
Good game, good points, onto goodison.
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Takashi Miike
3:49 Tue Feb 27
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"I’m not a pro Moyes nutter"
you have him in front of Lyall, it doesn't get any nuttier than that
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norwaytips
3:38 Tue Feb 27
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North bank. That all relative though, isn’t it? We have always been a big club, if not one of the giants and I certainly remember us setting transfer records, for players that we brought in. We don’t do that now.
I’m not a pro Moyes nutter, but many of the Moyes out crowd, are living on another planet.
Remember that, probably the favourite manager, from a fan’s point of view, (Lyall) got us relegated twice. How many would accept that today?
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New Jersey
3:34 Tue Feb 27
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I will take the game for what it was, a good performance against a team we have struggled against in the past. Let's see how we get on against Everton, another team we seem to struggle against. They will be as dour as fuck, with Tarkowski trying to kick lumps out of Jarrod!
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goose
3:32 Tue Feb 27
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“Obviously Moyes had final say on all the signings but what we do know is that most of his signings from pre-Steidten turned to shit or didn't get played. And that he didn't sign a striker for 2 seasons...”
Turned to shit like Paqueta or Bowen or Emerson or Areola or Soucek or Coufal or Zouma? Those first four are probably our best 4 players this season, all signed before Tim started.
“Moyes might still stay as our Head Coach but thank goodness he will have his final say removed in his new contract. Or is that crap from You Tubers too?”
At the moment that’s exactly what it is.
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62Hammer
3:25 Tue Feb 27
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I decided to go to the game despite having no appetite for it and hoping for a result that would (perhaps) hasten Moyes' departure. I ended up enjoying it, and if we could play more like that on a regular basis I could look forward to games again. But will we? Probably not. We'll see. I don't mind conceding goals if we're also scoring. 4-2 better than 1-0. Still Moyes out though, for all the reasons already mentioned.
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North Bank
3:14 Tue Feb 27
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norwaytips true but how many of our previous managers had the luxury of buiding a side with near enough £450 million?
After that expenditure being sat 8th is the least we should expect
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bell
3:05 Tue Feb 27
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I am shocked that we looked good when we played with intent and high up the pitch.
I'm just surprised other top managers haven't sussed this out.
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norwaytips
3:02 Tue Feb 27
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Willtell. Hardly influenced by one win. Look at the win record of all of our (long term) managers. How many have a better rate than Moyes?
Then look at three consecutive years in Europe, with a semi final, a trophy and still in last 16 this year. Also, only goal difference separates us from the European places for next year.
How many of our managers have done better than that?
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Willtell
2:29 Tue Feb 27
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goose
I didn't realise you are a Moyes in poster? Or just influenced by one win?
Obviously Moyes had final say on all the signings but what we do know is that most of his signings from pre-Steidten turned to shit or didn't get played. And that he didn't sign a striker for 2 seasons...
Moyes might still stay as our Head Coach but thank goodness he will have his final say removed in his new contract. Or is that crap from You Tubers too?
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Eerie Descent
2:10 Tue Feb 27
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We're a 1 man team, and Brentford in that first 10 minutes just had a shocker, they were no doubt surprised as they would have been expecting that passive, shitcunt team that we are for the most part in every game. Paquetta pulling the strings early on was the difference.
Can't say I've seen him loads, but whenever I have seen Toney, I've always wondered what the fuss is about, and he was fucking pony last night. I reckon their best player is Mbeumo, who tore us a new one at their place, given how they streamed down the left yesterday it could've been different had he played.
Last night changes fuck all for me, there were still long periods in that game against a diabolical team where they were camped in our half, and it's just not sustainable as a long term stragegy, as we've seen. After going 2-0 up, we should have absolutely swamped and battered them, tried to play well for 90 minutes for once.
Still, the man kept his job after losing 0-6 (SIX NIL) at home to London rivals, with less than a fucking whimper, and we have some fans who are happy to just wipe the dribble off their chins and accept that sort of cowardly defeat with a shrug of their shoulders. Sickening.
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goose
12:54 Tue Feb 27
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Oh here we go with the Tim signed this player and Moyes signed that player.
How do you know Moyes didn’t want Stavros? You don’t. Nobody does.
It’s just rubbish peddled by YouTubers.
Same as nobody knows if Tim was onboard with the Phillips deal.
Our best players were all signed whilst Moyes was here, you can’t pick & choose which ones you wanna look at.
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RootsRadical
12:50 Tue Feb 27
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Agree with Ogbonna and Mavrapanos as our best CB pairing, we looked much more solid with those two pre new year.
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Fauxstralian
12:49 Tue Feb 27
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Obviously Paqueta was rightly taken off after 75mins at 4-1 after his period out
But why Antonio to play wide left and stink the place out?
At 4-1 he could have given O Scarles 15mins on the left and replaced the quiet JWP with George Earthy
If not then to give these players minutes then when?
Not sure how much they are learning getting splinters in their arse as they NEVER come on
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Willtell
12:12 Tue Feb 27
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It's great to win but lets not get carried away. Brentford have lost 10 of their last 12 games I believe?
I'm very concerned about our defence still. Mavropanos was brilliant in Aguerd's place. By comparison to the regular pairing of Zouma and Aguerd Moyes has to consider bringing back Ogbonna and dropping Zouma against Everton. Why was Ogbonna dropped after playing brilliantly against Arsenal? Surely Ogbonna and Mavropanos would seem to be the better options?
It highlights the weaknesses Moyes pathetic team building efforts leave us in. Moyes would never have signed Mavropanos and was happy to let Kehrer go on loan.
I'm not completely sold on the DOF role but so far Steidten hasn't made a single error in his signings. Moyes on the other hand bought Kehrer, Cornet, Ings, Aguerd, Zouma, Benrahma, Vlassic, Kral, Scamacca all of which were sold at a loss. Moyes wouldn't play Downes who is now Southampton's top player apparently nor Ben Johnson. And he brought Kalvin Philips on loan who has cost huge sums and helped us lose 3 games, to replace Kehrer, Fornals, Benrahma and Coventry. Such excellent planning!!
Let's hope Moyes learnt something last night but I don't suppose for one minute he has...
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dealcanvey
12:08 Tue Feb 27
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Absolutely no reason why we can’t play this way in a majority of games home or away. Especially with that attacking front 3.
I can suffer a negative Moyes line up against the big clubs away but any other fixture we should be playing how we did last night.
Thought Mavrapanos was really good. Still think our best pairing going forward would be him and Ogbonna!
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